Comments on: Kepercayaan Kepada Allah – Lina Joy

By: Headwind

Headwind — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:13:12 +0000

Safia Tajul Alam,
I would suggest you and all muslims to get over the fact that criticism will always come from non-muslims, for if they stop criticising islam they would be muslims already. Even then, cristicism will still come from the different factions of islam believers.
In islamic law (syariah), the consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam. If you disagree with this, then you are interpreting a different faction of islamic law. Ironic? yes, it is.

Rafiz,
The Imigresen would not have accepted anyone's application for a driving license in the first place. Instead, the Federal Court accepted her application, pass a judgement and made a ruling against her.
You said the Constitution is not violated as nobody is forced to be a muslim yet. Lina Joy is "forced" in this context. Go study the purpose of the Constitution.
Lastly, don't say you are proud to be a muslim. You are born to be one, you had no choice. It's call blind faith.

By: Rafiz

Rafiz — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:54:53 +0000

Dear Headwind,
Pls respect others people religion and their rule. The case of Lina Joy is an extraordinary case as others people want to take advantage to change the law.
Why? I think you know the answer.
If she is cristian, she can be.
Her case is like you go to Imigresen when you want to renew a driving license.
The article 11 of the federal constitution is not violated at all.
If this is violated you are now force to be Muslim. But you aren’t.
Maybe you need to do some thinking first before writing

-Proud to be Muslim-

By: Safia Tajul Alam

Safia Tajul Alam — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:42:43 +0000

Headwind- your comment here is merely base on your sentiments and stop critising Islam-nobody want to stop Lina Joy or kill her? Shahrul Nizam is correct in saying no judges ever said that Lina Joy could not convert to another religion.
Please refer to wanzafran.com/2007/lina-the-decision before you start calling all judges in Malaysia as Imam or ustaz.

By: Headwind

Headwind — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:22:51 +0000

Sharul Nizam Abd Latif,
NurLiana,
Article 11 of the Federal Constitution is not to be interpreted like how the syariah court interpret the Quran. The judge is not your imam or ustaz, the Federal judge must interpret what is written, not what he think is written. There is no two ways to go about it. Thank you for your comment.

By: NurLiana

NurLiana — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:38:31 +0000

AGREED with you Shahrul Nizam Abd Latif!

By: Shahrul Nizam Abd Latif

Shahrul Nizam Abd Latif — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:00:23 +0000

Hi there,

As best as I could remember, no judges ever said that this Lina Joy could not convert to another religion. What they said, which is according the law of the land, was that this Lina Joy should go to Syariah Court first. She failed by her own choice to do that (because she did not recognised the Syariah Court) so why all the fuss when the highest court in Malaysia (which recognised the Syariah Court) rejected her application.

You guys (who supports this Lina Joy) are missing the point.

The Law said that anything regarding Islam should be referred to Syariah Court. If you guys understand the Law so much, why do you guys fail to accept this particular section? I’d say, that you guys just like to interpret the Law according to your own understanding only.

By: NoVisit

NoVisit — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:08:36 +0000

Westerners have to fear, that Malaysia will end up like Pakistan one day.
Travel to Malaysia should be discouraged.

By: Vedis Teh

Vedis Teh — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:12:36 +0000

Hi, Headwind,

Great reply to Kucingmafia !

I am a simple person and my reasoning is simple too. If people can convert from another religion to Islam, why can’t muslims convert to another religion ?

If I were forced to eat durian which I hate so much, do you think I would like to eat ? It makes matter worse. Same theory here-If I were forced to convert into another religion, do you think I would like that religion ?

This is my humble opinion.

By: Headwind

Headwind — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:08:35 +0000

Kucingmafia,
your comment is edited as it can be found from the link you provided. Readers can click on the link and read what Kucingmafia commented. Thank you.

My opinion on your comment,
I do not know what you did not agree with me on. I am implying that the Rukunegara and Article 11 of the Federal Constitution has been violated and not adhered to. That is a fact and is beyond argument.

Do not assume or guess what religion I practise. As far as muslims are concerned, you can marginalise and refer to me as a non-muslim or kafir as per normal.
In your linked post, it is stressed that you muslims do not a give shit about Lina Joy, pls read nazlihaffiz's comment above, especially about "renouncing Islam is punishable by death". There are muslims and there are muslims, some are tolerant but I will not be surprised if some may just murder Lina Joy and shout "Allahu Akbar".

When we talked about faith freedom, we do not talk about whether Malaysia allows masjids, suraus, churches, temples or statues of buddha to be built. It is totally out of the context as non-muslims can also argue how they allow muslims to built mosques and suraus.

There are muslims and there are muslims, show me one place of worship of other religion that are allowed to be built in Malaysia and I will show you ten other mosques in the same vicinity. Show me one mosque that is destroyed by non-muslims and I will show you ten places of worship of other religions being destroyed by muslims.

There are muslims and there are muslims, in the end, the world would not even be at peace if everybody is a muslim.

Peace for Now!

By: Kucingmafia

Kucingmafia — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:03:15 +0000

I totally do not agree with you. I’m not good with words, but I’ll post you someone’s post that speak my heart.

http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2007/06/syariah-court-rulez-thats-what-i-was.html